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#21
Feedback/Suggestions / Re: Incorrect details for Tomm...
Last post by GregRLP - 20 March, 2024, 01:12:56 AM
I can confirm Paul did supply these dates Tommy Nevin in a post 4/8/2019 & Clarrie Tupper on 27/5/2020 so certainly after the Wikipedia edit.

I have now updated RLP with the correct details.

Alan Whiticker's "Encyclopedia of Rugby League Players" does include short bio's for a lot of players especially the 6th & final edition in 2007 and this is the Biography provided for players in RLP where a bio was in the encyclopedia you'll notice Alan's name at the bottom of the bio.

The Wikipedia bio for Tommy Nevin only picks some of the detail from the encyclopedia with additional details curiously Clarrie Tupper doesn't have a bio in the encyclopedia yet it's referenced in Wikipedia bio so that's odd as well.

Also both Wikipedia pages are wrong as Tommy Nevin's states he played 135 games with 28 tries when he played 142 premiership games with 30 tries which is also what the encyclopedia states it looks like the Wikipedia editor missed the 1937 season. Clarrie Tupper's bio says he played to 1935 but he did play in 1936 one 1st grade game in Rd 15 he spent most of the season in reserve grade.

Max are you able to updated the Wikipedia pages for both so they align now with RLP?

One again your work is fantastic in finding these discrepancies.
#22
Feedback/Suggestions / Re: Incorrect details for Tomm...
Last post by Max Turner - 19 March, 2024, 09:58:24 PM
Yes, I agree Wikipedia can be a bit hit and miss for these details. The downside is that if RLP has incorrect information on it, Wikipedia will trust the site as a dependable source (which of course it should be) - even if the information has come from Wikipedia originally.

There are positives, though, like a few times I have found someone persistently changing a date of birth without a source, which made me look for a reliable source and I realised there was an error on RLP. With these older players, they generally don't have as many eyes on their pages to promptly remove misinformation unfortunately.
#23
Feedback/Suggestions / Re: Incorrect details for Tomm...
Last post by Paul Carter - 19 March, 2024, 09:24:45 PM
Im pretty sure I let them know about those ones.
-Which I got from Wikipedia. Which personally now I am starting to not trust Wikipedia.
-If I was going to off anything from Wikipedia from now on. It would only be if it is a very good source.
#24
Feedback/Suggestions / Incorrect details for Tommy Ne...
Last post by Max Turner - 19 March, 2024, 08:37:34 PM
→ Tommy Nevin's DOB should be 3 September 1916 in Annandale, NSW (his birth record is #32750/1916)

Does anyone have any guess as to what the original source for the incorrect DOB (19 Jan 1916) might be? I note that this date was added to Tommy Nevin's Wikipedia page on 18 October 2018, which is prior to when it first appeared on RLP. No source was added with this edit, but Alan Whiticker's "Encyclopedia of Rugby League Players" is loosely referenced in the article. Do Alan's publications typically include these sorts of details for players? I'm oblivious to what they contain.

It sort of appears as though the Wikipedia editor was adding their own genealogy research (which is not permitted on Wikipedia for this exact reason), but I can't find any reasonable explanation for this error (e.g., someone with a similar name).

→ Clarrie Tupper's DOB should be 5 March 1908 in Coonamble, NSW (#13444/1908). Likewise, the incorrect date was added to Wikipedia by the same user on 18 October 2018.

When I posted a data dump for 1930s St George players, I was noticing a lot of incorrect information on these players' Wikipedia pages as well, including several people who had been completely misidentified. Thankfully, in this case very few of these errors had made their way onto RLP. The Wikipedia pages for these St George players were largely edited by a different account, though I suspect it was the same person for various reasons. (Many of their accounts have since been banned for other types of disruptive editing)

I guess the short point is, there might be a lot of misinformation floating around for players of this era due to a Wikipedia editor's ... errors? Or trolling? I'm not sure exactly why they would do this.
#25
Feedback/Suggestions / Auckland v Brisbane Mt Smart S...
Last post by Paul Carter - 19 March, 2024, 04:06:56 PM
I just thought I would let you know. In the game between Auckland and Brisbane at Mt Smart Stadium on August 30, 1996.
-That Brisbane Lead 16-0 at Halftime.
-Sorry to point this out. I notice in that game for Auckland. That you have Tony Tuimavave Wearing No. 14. John Kirwan Wearing No. 15. Bryan Henare Wearing No. 16. Phil Blake Wearing No. 17.
-Also for Brisbane. You have Chris Johns Wearing No. 14. Tonie Carroll Wearing No. 15. Darren Lockyer Wearing No. 16. Dennis Scott Wearing No. 17.
-Tuimavave Wore No. 17. Kirwan Wore No. 14. Henare Wore No. 29. Blake Wore No. 16. When they all came off the Bench for Auckland in that game.
-Johns Wore No. 17. Carroll Wore No. 16. Lockyer Wore No. 15. Scott Wore No. 25. When they all came off the Bench for Brisbane in that game.
#26
Feedback/Suggestions / Re: Wrong person for Jim Ruthe...
Last post by GregRLP - 19 March, 2024, 01:55:57 PM
Wests Archive have now updated their website with a complete bio of Jim Jim Rutherford
#27
Feedback/Suggestions / Brisbane v Western Suburbs QEI...
Last post by Paul Carter - 18 March, 2024, 04:09:14 PM
I just thought I would let you know. In the game between Brisbane and Western Suburbs at QEII Stadium in August 10, 1996.
-That Brisbane Lead 18-6 at Halftime.
-Sorry to point this out. I notice in that game for Brisbane. That you have Robbie Ross Wearing No. 1. Willie Carne Wearing No. 5. Chris Johns Wearing No. 15. Ben Walker Wearing No. 16.
-Also for Western Suburbs. You have Michael O'Neall Wearing No. 9. Darren Capovilla Wearing No. 14. Mark Afflick Wearing No. 15. Ken McGuinness Wearing No. 16. Chad Harris Wearing No. 17.
-These are the Numbers all those Players Wore for Brisbane and Western Suburbs in that game.
-Ross Wore No. 5. When he played Fulback for Brisbane in that game.
-Carne Wore No. 1. When he played Winger for Brisbane in that game.
-Johns Wore No. 17. Walker Wore No. 23. When they both came off the Bench for Brisbane in that game.
-O'Neall Wore No. 26. When he played Hooker for Western Suburbs in that game.
-Capovilla Wore No. 36. Afflick Wore No. 37. McGuinness Wore No. 20. Harris Wore No. 27. When they all came off the Bench for Western Suburbs in that game.
#28
Feedback/Suggestions / Auckland v Cronulla Mt Smart S...
Last post by Paul Carter - 17 March, 2024, 09:05:52 AM
I just thought I would let you know. In the game between Auckland and Cronulla at Mt Smart Stadium on June 8, 1996.
-That Cronulla Lead 16-14 at Halftime.
-Stephen Kearney was Auckland Captain.
-Andrew Ettingshausen was Cronulla Captain.
-Sorry to point this out. I notice in that game for Auckland. That you have Awen Guttenbeil Wearing No. 14. Phil Blake Wearing No. 15. Tony Tatupu Wearing No. 16.
-Also for Cronulla. You have Andrew Pierce Wearing No. 12. Geoff Bell Wearing No. 14. Dion Cope Wearing No. 15. Gavin Jones Wearing No. 16.
-Guttenbeil Wore No. 16. Blake Wore No. 14. Tatupu Wore No. 15. When they all came off the Bench for Auckland in that game.
-Pierce Wore No. 15. When he played Second-Row for Cronulla in that game.
-Bell Wore No. 16. Cope Wore No. 29. Jones Wore No. 14. When they all came off the Bench for Cronulla in that game.
#29
Feedback/Suggestions / Cronulla v Newcastle Endeavour...
Last post by Paul Carter - 16 March, 2024, 08:23:21 AM
I just thought I would let you know. In the game between Cronulla and Newcastle at Endeavour Field on August 31, 1996.
-That Cronulla Lead 16-0 at Halftime.
-Paul Harragon was Newcastle Captain.
-Sorry to point this out. I notice in that game for Cronulla. That you have Mat Rogers Wearing No. 2. Andrew Pierce Wearing No. 12. Marin Lang Wearing No. 14. Adam Dykes Wearing No. 15. Allan Bateman Wearing No. 16. David Boughton Wearing No. 17.
-Also for Newcastle. You have Andrew Tangata-Toa Wearing No. 2. Darren Albert Wearing No. 14.
-These are the Numbers those Players Wore. For Cronulla and Newcastle in that game.
-Rogers Wore No. 37. When he played Winger for Cronulla in that game.
-Pierce Wore No. 14. When he played Second-Row for Cronulla in that game.
-Lang Wore No. 15. Dykes Wore No. 16. Bateman Wore No. 2. Boughton Wore No. 30. When they all came off the Bench for Cronulla in that game.
-Tangata-Toa Wore No. 14. When he played Winger for Newcastle in that game.
-Albert Wore No. 2. When he came off the Bench for Newcastle in that game.
#30
Feedback/Suggestions / Sydney City v Cronulla Sydney ...
Last post by Paul Carter - 15 March, 2024, 03:29:22 PM
I just thought I would let you know. In the game between Sydney City and Cronulla at the Sydney Football Stadium on August 26, 1996.
-That Cronulla Lead 12-4 at Halftime.
-Sorry to point this out. I notice in that game for Sydney City. That you have John Deery Wearing No. 2. Shane Rigon Wearing No. 3. Shane Millard Wearing No. 13. Paul Dunn Wearing No. 14. Tim Maddison Wearing No. 15. Frank Napoli Wearing No. 16. Julian Troy Wearing No. 17.
-While for Cronulla. You have Allan Bateman Wearing No. 2. Geoff Bell Wearing No. 14. Adam Dykes Wearing No. 15. Martin Lang Wearing No. 16. Andrew Pierce Wearing No. 17.
-These are the Numbers all those Players Wore for Sydney City and Cronulla in that game.
-Deery Wore No. 19. When he played Winger for Sydney City in that game.
-Rigon Wore No. 14. When he played Centre for Sydney City in that game.
-Millard Wore No. 17. When he played Lock for Sydney City in that game.
-Dunn Wore No. 15. Maddison Wore No. 16. Napoli Wore No. 21. Troy Wore No. 32. When they all came off the Bench for Sydney City in that game.
-Bateman Wore No. 17. When he played Winger for Cronulla in that game.
-Bell Wore No. 21. Dykes Wore No. 16. Lang Wore No. 15. Pierce Wore No. 14. When they all came off the Bench for Cronulla in that game.