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#51
Feedback/Suggestions / Balmain v Canberra Leichhardt ...
Last post by Paul Carter - 30 March, 2024, 04:49:17 PMAlso just a note from the game between Balmain and Canberra at Leichhardt Oval on August 11, 1984.
-For Balmain. Olsen Filipaina Wore Jumper No. 6 in the first half. Filipaina then Wore Jumper No. 24 in the second half.
-For Balmain. Olsen Filipaina Wore Jumper No. 6 in the first half. Filipaina then Wore Jumper No. 24 in the second half.
#52
Feedback/Suggestions / Balmain v Canberra Leichhardt ...
Last post by Paul Carter - 30 March, 2024, 04:46:24 PMI just thought I would let you know. In the game between Balmain and Canberra at Leichhardt Oval on August 11, 1984.
-That Ben Elias was the ABC Player of the Match.
-Ron Giteau had 3 Attempts at Goal.
-Chris O'Sullivan was Sent to the Sin Bin for 10 Minutes.
-Mike Marketo and John Owens also came off the Bench for Balmain in that game.
-Marketo Wore No. 20. Owens Wore No. 22. When they both came off the Bench for Balmain in that game.
-Sorry to point this out. I notice in that game for Canberra. That you have Robert Dunning Wearing No. 14. Paul Elliott Wearing No. 16. Ron Sigsworth Wearing No. 17.
-Dunning Wore No. 18. Elliott Wore No. 14. Sigsworth Wore No. 15. When they all came off the Bench for Canberra in that game.
-That Ben Elias was the ABC Player of the Match.
-Ron Giteau had 3 Attempts at Goal.
-Chris O'Sullivan was Sent to the Sin Bin for 10 Minutes.
-Mike Marketo and John Owens also came off the Bench for Balmain in that game.
-Marketo Wore No. 20. Owens Wore No. 22. When they both came off the Bench for Balmain in that game.
-Sorry to point this out. I notice in that game for Canberra. That you have Robert Dunning Wearing No. 14. Paul Elliott Wearing No. 16. Ron Sigsworth Wearing No. 17.
-Dunning Wore No. 18. Elliott Wore No. 14. Sigsworth Wore No. 15. When they all came off the Bench for Canberra in that game.
#53
Feedback/Suggestions / Parramatta v Balmain Parramatt...
Last post by Paul Carter - 29 March, 2024, 10:48:01 AMI just thought I would let you know. In the game between Parramatta and Balmain at Parramatta Stadium on May 10, 1997.
-That Balmain Lead 8-6 at Halftime.
-Tim Brasher was Sent to the Sin Bin for 10 Minutes.
-Sorry to point this out. I notice in that game for Parramatta. That you have Brett Horsnell Wearing No. 12. Justin Morgan Wearing No. 14. Nathan Koina Wearing No. 15. Steve Collins Wearing No. 16. Nathan Barnes Wearing No. 17.
-Also for Balmain. You have Chris McPherson Wearing No. 14. Asa Milford Wearing No. 15. Mark O'Neill Wearing No. 16.
-Horsnell Wore No. 15. When he played Second-Row for Parramatta in that game.
-Morgan Wore No. 17. Koina Wore No. 16. Collins Wore No. 14. Barnes Wore No. 20. When they all came off the Bench for Parramatta in that game.
-McPherson Wore No. 16. Milford Wore No. 30. O'Neill Wore No. 14. When they all came off the Bench for Balmain in that game.
-Brasher being Sent to the Sin Bin in this game. Was not listed underneath the teams and scorers for this game. In the NRL Rugby League 1998 Yearbook. It was however mentioned in the summary of games from that Round in that Yearbook.
-My Source in regards to Brasher being to the Sin Bin in this game.
-I just watched edited highlights of this game on https://www.youtube.com/ On NRL Throwback
-That Balmain Lead 8-6 at Halftime.
-Tim Brasher was Sent to the Sin Bin for 10 Minutes.
-Sorry to point this out. I notice in that game for Parramatta. That you have Brett Horsnell Wearing No. 12. Justin Morgan Wearing No. 14. Nathan Koina Wearing No. 15. Steve Collins Wearing No. 16. Nathan Barnes Wearing No. 17.
-Also for Balmain. You have Chris McPherson Wearing No. 14. Asa Milford Wearing No. 15. Mark O'Neill Wearing No. 16.
-Horsnell Wore No. 15. When he played Second-Row for Parramatta in that game.
-Morgan Wore No. 17. Koina Wore No. 16. Collins Wore No. 14. Barnes Wore No. 20. When they all came off the Bench for Parramatta in that game.
-McPherson Wore No. 16. Milford Wore No. 30. O'Neill Wore No. 14. When they all came off the Bench for Balmain in that game.
-Brasher being Sent to the Sin Bin in this game. Was not listed underneath the teams and scorers for this game. In the NRL Rugby League 1998 Yearbook. It was however mentioned in the summary of games from that Round in that Yearbook.
-My Source in regards to Brasher being to the Sin Bin in this game.
-I just watched edited highlights of this game on https://www.youtube.com/ On NRL Throwback
#54
Feedback/Suggestions / Sydney City v St George Sydney...
Last post by Paul Carter - 28 March, 2024, 03:30:06 PMI just thought I would let you know. In the game between Sydney City and St George at the Sydney Football Stadium on May 9, 1997.
-That Adrian Lam was the Channel 9 Nokia Player of the Match.
-Sydney City Lead 12-6 at Halftime.
-Sorry to point this out. I notice in that game for Sydney City. That you have Jacin Sinclair Wearing No. 3. Matt Sing Wearing No. 4. Greg Bourke Wearing No. 5. Terry Hermansson Wearing No. 8. Jason Lowrie Wearing No. 10. Scott Gourley Wearing No. 11. Luke Ricketson Wearing No. 12. Nathan Wood Wearing No. 14. David Barnhill Wearing No. 15. Scott Logan Wearing No. 17.
-Also for St George. You have Colin Ward Wearing No. 8. Tony Hearn Wearing No. 10. Andrew Tangata-Toa Wearing No. 11. Jim Lenihan Wearing No. 14. Corey Pearson Wearing No. 15. Brad Smith Wearing No. 16.
-These are the Numbers all those Players Wore for Sydney City and St George in that game.
-Sinclair Wore No. 20. Sing Wore No. 3. When they both played Centre for Sydney City in that game.
-Bourke Wore No. 22. When he played Winger for Sydney City in that game.
-Hermansson Wore No. 10. Lowrie Wore No. 8. When they both played Front-Row for Sydney City in that game.
-Gourley Wore No. 12. Ricketson Wore No. 11. When they both played Second-Row for Sydney City in that game.
-Wood Wore No. 15. Barnhill Wore No. 47. Logan Wore No. 29. When they all came off the Bench for Sydney City in that game.
-Ward Wore No. 10. Hearn Wore No. 8. When they both played Front-Row for St George in that game.
-Tangata-Toa Wore No. 16. When he played Second-Row for St George in that game.
-Lenihan Wore No. 17. Pearson Wore No. 14. Smith wore No. 29. When they all came off the Bench for St George in that game.
-That Adrian Lam was the Channel 9 Nokia Player of the Match.
-Sydney City Lead 12-6 at Halftime.
-Sorry to point this out. I notice in that game for Sydney City. That you have Jacin Sinclair Wearing No. 3. Matt Sing Wearing No. 4. Greg Bourke Wearing No. 5. Terry Hermansson Wearing No. 8. Jason Lowrie Wearing No. 10. Scott Gourley Wearing No. 11. Luke Ricketson Wearing No. 12. Nathan Wood Wearing No. 14. David Barnhill Wearing No. 15. Scott Logan Wearing No. 17.
-Also for St George. You have Colin Ward Wearing No. 8. Tony Hearn Wearing No. 10. Andrew Tangata-Toa Wearing No. 11. Jim Lenihan Wearing No. 14. Corey Pearson Wearing No. 15. Brad Smith Wearing No. 16.
-These are the Numbers all those Players Wore for Sydney City and St George in that game.
-Sinclair Wore No. 20. Sing Wore No. 3. When they both played Centre for Sydney City in that game.
-Bourke Wore No. 22. When he played Winger for Sydney City in that game.
-Hermansson Wore No. 10. Lowrie Wore No. 8. When they both played Front-Row for Sydney City in that game.
-Gourley Wore No. 12. Ricketson Wore No. 11. When they both played Second-Row for Sydney City in that game.
-Wood Wore No. 15. Barnhill Wore No. 47. Logan Wore No. 29. When they all came off the Bench for Sydney City in that game.
-Ward Wore No. 10. Hearn Wore No. 8. When they both played Front-Row for St George in that game.
-Tangata-Toa Wore No. 16. When he played Second-Row for St George in that game.
-Lenihan Wore No. 17. Pearson Wore No. 14. Smith wore No. 29. When they all came off the Bench for St George in that game.
#55
Feedback/Suggestions / Balmain v Sydney City Leichhar...
Last post by Paul Carter - 27 March, 2024, 03:52:39 PMI just thought I would let you know. In the game between Balmain and Sydney City at Leichhardt Oval on May 4, 1997.
-That Balmain Lead 10-4 at Halftime.
-Sorry to point this out. I notice in that game for Balmain. That you have Chris McPherson Wearing No. 14. Shane Walker Wearing No. 16. Asa Milford Wearing No. 17.
-Also for Sydney City. You have Peter Clarke Wearing No. 5. Ben Duckworth Wearing No. 14. Scott Logan Wearing No. 15. Nathan Wood Wearing No. 16.
-McPherson Wore No. 16. Walker Wore No. 14. Milford Wore No. 30. When they all came off the Bench for Balmain in that game.
-Clarke Wore No. 21. When he played Winger for Sydney City in that game.
-Duckworth Wore No. 23. Logan Wore No. 29. Wood Wore No. 15. When they all came off the Bench for Sydney City in that game.
-That Balmain Lead 10-4 at Halftime.
-Sorry to point this out. I notice in that game for Balmain. That you have Chris McPherson Wearing No. 14. Shane Walker Wearing No. 16. Asa Milford Wearing No. 17.
-Also for Sydney City. You have Peter Clarke Wearing No. 5. Ben Duckworth Wearing No. 14. Scott Logan Wearing No. 15. Nathan Wood Wearing No. 16.
-McPherson Wore No. 16. Walker Wore No. 14. Milford Wore No. 30. When they all came off the Bench for Balmain in that game.
-Clarke Wore No. 21. When he played Winger for Sydney City in that game.
-Duckworth Wore No. 23. Logan Wore No. 29. Wood Wore No. 15. When they all came off the Bench for Sydney City in that game.
#56
Feedback/Suggestions / Sydney City v South Sydney Syd...
Last post by Paul Carter - 26 March, 2024, 04:27:09 PMI just thought I would let you know. In the game between Sydney City and South Sydney at the Sydney Football Stadium on April 26, 1997.
-That Sydney City Lead 22-0 at Halftime.
-Darrell Trindall was South Sydney Captain.
-Sorry to point this out. I notice in that game for Sydney City. That you have Ivan Cleary Wearing No. 1. Robert Miles Wearing No. 5.
-Also for South Sydney. You have Deann Amos Wearing No. 17.
-Cleary Wore No. 5. When he played Fulback for Sydney City in that game.
-Miles Wore No. 19. When he played Winger for Sydney City in that game.
-Amos Wore No. 22. When he came off the Bench for South Sydney in that game.
-That Sydney City Lead 22-0 at Halftime.
-Darrell Trindall was South Sydney Captain.
-Sorry to point this out. I notice in that game for Sydney City. That you have Ivan Cleary Wearing No. 1. Robert Miles Wearing No. 5.
-Also for South Sydney. You have Deann Amos Wearing No. 17.
-Cleary Wore No. 5. When he played Fulback for Sydney City in that game.
-Miles Wore No. 19. When he played Winger for Sydney City in that game.
-Amos Wore No. 22. When he came off the Bench for South Sydney in that game.
#57
Feedback/Suggestions / Re: Some Wikipedia errors
Last post by Max Turner - 24 March, 2024, 10:45:22 AMYes, good catch, W Grotte (William) would be Robert's brother. William was born 29 June 1916 and died 16 April 1976.
Also with the note you put on Robert's page, I apologise for my typo. It should read "Alice Suslikova (or Suslicova)" instead of Sulikova.
Also with the note you put on Robert's page, I apologise for my typo. It should read "Alice Suslikova (or Suslicova)" instead of Sulikova.
#58
Feedback/Suggestions / Re: Some Wikipedia errors
Last post by GregRLP - 24 March, 2024, 01:25:28 AMI have updated these.
Whiticker's Encyclopedia & Collis' AtoZ both list Tom as Haywood also I added a note about his father.
Robert Grotte I have added notes that his DOB is uncertain also the story about his parents.
Also a W Grotte probably Robert's brother William played with him for the Marist Brothers team against the touring Combined Sydney City team in 1939 at Auckland.
Whiticker's Encyclopedia & Collis' AtoZ both list Tom as Haywood also I added a note about his father.
Robert Grotte I have added notes that his DOB is uncertain also the story about his parents.
Also a W Grotte probably Robert's brother William played with him for the Marist Brothers team against the touring Combined Sydney City team in 1939 at Auckland.
#59
Feedback/Suggestions / Re: Sam Griffiths father and s...
Last post by GregRLP - 24 March, 2024, 12:52:38 AMUpdated.
#60
Feedback/Suggestions / Some Wikipedia errors
Last post by Max Turner - 24 March, 2024, 12:28:12 AMLin Johnson's DOB should be 5 September 1913 in Quirindi, NSW. His full name was Lindsay Adolphus Johnson. He was the brother of Dick Johnson.
Tom Haywood should be Hayward. He was born 14 July 1913 in Tweed Heads, NSW, and died on 20 August 1989. His full name is Thomas William Hayward. Tom Hayward and Percy Fairall were brothers-in-law.
↪ His name is sometimes Tom Haywood, but I'd say the majority of sources are Hayward, including the genealogy records. I'm curious if he is 'Haywood' in Whiticker's work as the Wikipedia page references it without mentioning the discrepancy.
↪ And perhaps an interesting note for his page because Google brings up a handful of results for his father: Son of skiff champion William "Billo" Hayward.
Charles Rice was born 14 March 1909 in Bexley, NSW, and died on 1 April 1962. His full name was Charles Frederick Rice Jnr.
Stan Robinson was born 4 April 1911 in Brisbane, Qld, and died on 28 April 1995. His full name was Stanley Herbert Robinson.
Robert Grotte died on 15 December 1964. His full name was Robert Michael Grotte.
↪ Just a comment on his DOB: A DOB of 11 December 1913 was added to his Wikipedia page by an anonymous user on 27 March 2020. This now also appears on the NZRL site, but I fear the Wikipedia addition pre-dates it... Would it be possible to put something like "DOB uncertain, circa 1912 or 1913" onto his profile? (His age is slightly inconsistent between being 26 when the Kiwis toured in June 1938 and 51 when he died in December 1964). I haven't found Robert's birth record so it makes it harder to combat the potential misinformation by putting the correct date on RLP.
↪ Robert's parents were likely Michael Grotte (or Grotto) and Alice Sulikova (or Suslicova), both Russians, who were unmarried and faced difficulties being 'aliens' in NZ (see here, here and here). Their other son William was born in 1916 but his birth was not registered until 1930. Robert's birth could either be unregistered, or under some spelling variation which makes it difficult to find (the NZ BDM site doesn't seem to allow wildcard searches to catch spelling variations, which is a pain).
↪ Anyway, there's definitely an interesting story to be told there. But it might require putting some $ into buying records to learn more. There's an editor on Wikipedia who is prolific for writing NZ RL biographies, but he hasn't really added much for Robert. Perhaps they're struggling to find information too.
Tom Haywood should be Hayward. He was born 14 July 1913 in Tweed Heads, NSW, and died on 20 August 1989. His full name is Thomas William Hayward. Tom Hayward and Percy Fairall were brothers-in-law.
↪ His name is sometimes Tom Haywood, but I'd say the majority of sources are Hayward, including the genealogy records. I'm curious if he is 'Haywood' in Whiticker's work as the Wikipedia page references it without mentioning the discrepancy.
↪ And perhaps an interesting note for his page because Google brings up a handful of results for his father: Son of skiff champion William "Billo" Hayward.
Charles Rice was born 14 March 1909 in Bexley, NSW, and died on 1 April 1962. His full name was Charles Frederick Rice Jnr.
Stan Robinson was born 4 April 1911 in Brisbane, Qld, and died on 28 April 1995. His full name was Stanley Herbert Robinson.
Robert Grotte died on 15 December 1964. His full name was Robert Michael Grotte.
↪ Just a comment on his DOB: A DOB of 11 December 1913 was added to his Wikipedia page by an anonymous user on 27 March 2020. This now also appears on the NZRL site, but I fear the Wikipedia addition pre-dates it... Would it be possible to put something like "DOB uncertain, circa 1912 or 1913" onto his profile? (His age is slightly inconsistent between being 26 when the Kiwis toured in June 1938 and 51 when he died in December 1964). I haven't found Robert's birth record so it makes it harder to combat the potential misinformation by putting the correct date on RLP.
↪ Robert's parents were likely Michael Grotte (or Grotto) and Alice Sulikova (or Suslicova), both Russians, who were unmarried and faced difficulties being 'aliens' in NZ (see here, here and here). Their other son William was born in 1916 but his birth was not registered until 1930. Robert's birth could either be unregistered, or under some spelling variation which makes it difficult to find (the NZ BDM site doesn't seem to allow wildcard searches to catch spelling variations, which is a pain).
↪ Anyway, there's definitely an interesting story to be told there. But it might require putting some $ into buying records to learn more. There's an editor on Wikipedia who is prolific for writing NZ RL biographies, but he hasn't really added much for Robert. Perhaps they're struggling to find information too.