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#51
Feedback/Suggestions / Re: 1930s St George players de...
Last post by Ted Baxter - 11 April, 2024, 10:51:45 PMGood research there. I think it is more than likely Keith & that a reporter got it wrong which was then carried over to Rugby League News.
A list of Randwick RU players you can download from here
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1E9mvuM7rUU1izJMjs2rDgDR4s8WqJQiW (Randwick m.pdf)
says the player who played for Randwick was Keith. No Ken Murray
St.George also has it listed as Keith:
https://stgeorgedragons.com.au/player/keith-murray/
South Sydney Almanac has Keith as well
Also this article saying that he was approved in being re-admitted to the rugby union ranks.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/237784724?searchTerm=%22keith%20murray%22
https://www.ssralmanac.com/mobile/players_m/player_murray_keith.htm
To me, there seems to be far more evidence that it is Keith rather than Ken.
A list of Randwick RU players you can download from here
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1E9mvuM7rUU1izJMjs2rDgDR4s8WqJQiW (Randwick m.pdf)
says the player who played for Randwick was Keith. No Ken Murray
St.George also has it listed as Keith:
https://stgeorgedragons.com.au/player/keith-murray/
South Sydney Almanac has Keith as well
Also this article saying that he was approved in being re-admitted to the rugby union ranks.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/237784724?searchTerm=%22keith%20murray%22
https://www.ssralmanac.com/mobile/players_m/player_murray_keith.htm
To me, there seems to be far more evidence that it is Keith rather than Ken.
#52
Feedback/Suggestions / Re: 1930s St George players de...
Last post by Max Turner - 11 April, 2024, 08:28:34 PMThanks for posting these Ted. I referred to the following articles about K Murray:
I have found two passing mentions of the name Ken Murray in newspaper articles, both in 1935. One was playing for Randwick RU, and the other later on for St George RL. There's no obvious indication that 'Ken' was a nickname, but because it appears multiples times, it might be fair to conclude it was not an error. What do you think?
I can't find a death date for Keith so hopefully that turns up eventually!
- 1936 Mar 27, Labor Daily: Keith Murray applying to be readmitted to RU after playing the latter half of 1935 for St George RL as an amateur
- 1937 Mar 22, Labor Daily: Keith Murray joined St George RL (again) from Randwick RU
- 1937 Apr 7, Maitland Daily Mercury: K. Murray playing for Maitland RL after recently leaving St George RL
- 1938 Mar 30, Labor Daily: Keith Murray applying to be readmitted to RU (again). Article says he played for Randwick RU (1933-34), St George RL (1935), Randwick RU (1936), and then West Maitland RL (1937)
- 1940 Mar 6, Daily News: Keith Murray joined South Sydney RL from RU, mentioned to have previously played RL for St George
- 1941 May 8, The Propeller: South Sydney's Keith Murray mentioned to have previously played for Randwick RU and St George RL. Mentioned as a member of the RAAF (his service file can be found here)
I have found two passing mentions of the name Ken Murray in newspaper articles, both in 1935. One was playing for Randwick RU, and the other later on for St George RL. There's no obvious indication that 'Ken' was a nickname, but because it appears multiples times, it might be fair to conclude it was not an error. What do you think?
I can't find a death date for Keith so hopefully that turns up eventually!
#53
Feedback/Suggestions / Manly v Gold Coast Chargers Br...
Last post by Paul Carter - 11 April, 2024, 03:32:02 PMI just thought I would let you know. In the game between Manly and the Gold Coast Chargers at Brookvale Oval on May 11, 1997.
-That the Gold Coast Chargers Lead 14-10 at Halftime.
-Graham Mackay was Gold Coast Chargers Captain.
-Sorry to point this out. I notice in that game for Manly. That you have Andrew Hunter Wearing No. 5. Jim Serdaris Wearing No. 9. John Hopoate Wearing No. 12. David Gillespie Wearing No. 14. Cliff Lyons Wearing No. 15. Scott Fulton Wearing No. 16.
-Also for the Gold Coast Chargers. You have Steve Parsons Wearing No. 14. Chris Orr Wearing No. 15. Jason Nicol Wearing No. 16. Hamish Smith Wearing No. 17.
-Hunter Wore No. 15. When he played Winger for Manly in that game.
-Serdaris Wore No. 12. When he played Hooker for Manly in that game.
-Hopoate Wore No. 5. When he played Second-Row for Manly in that game.
-Gillespie Wore No. 17. Lyons Wore No. 16. Fulton Wore No. 9. When they all came off the Bench for Manly in that game.
-Parsons Wore No. 15. Orr Wore No. 17. Nicol Wore No. 20. Smith Wore No. 27. When they all came off the Bench for Gold Coast Chargers in that game.
-That the Gold Coast Chargers Lead 14-10 at Halftime.
-Graham Mackay was Gold Coast Chargers Captain.
-Sorry to point this out. I notice in that game for Manly. That you have Andrew Hunter Wearing No. 5. Jim Serdaris Wearing No. 9. John Hopoate Wearing No. 12. David Gillespie Wearing No. 14. Cliff Lyons Wearing No. 15. Scott Fulton Wearing No. 16.
-Also for the Gold Coast Chargers. You have Steve Parsons Wearing No. 14. Chris Orr Wearing No. 15. Jason Nicol Wearing No. 16. Hamish Smith Wearing No. 17.
-Hunter Wore No. 15. When he played Winger for Manly in that game.
-Serdaris Wore No. 12. When he played Hooker for Manly in that game.
-Hopoate Wore No. 5. When he played Second-Row for Manly in that game.
-Gillespie Wore No. 17. Lyons Wore No. 16. Fulton Wore No. 9. When they all came off the Bench for Manly in that game.
-Parsons Wore No. 15. Orr Wore No. 17. Nicol Wore No. 20. Smith Wore No. 27. When they all came off the Bench for Gold Coast Chargers in that game.
#54
Feedback/Suggestions / Re: 1930s St George players de...
Last post by GregRLP - 11 April, 2024, 09:53:21 AMThanks Ted so @Max Turner are you able to advise on Mr Murray?
#55
Feedback/Suggestions / Re: 1935 Balmain players
Last post by Ted Baxter - 11 April, 2024, 12:20:13 AMI had this as Mick as well due to the last attachment you listed.
#56
Feedback/Suggestions / Re: 1930s St George players de...
Last post by Ted Baxter - 11 April, 2024, 12:10:11 AMI can confirm Harry Hodgson see attached RL News V16 N18 p21
I had Ken Murray see attached RL News V16 N19 p21
I had Ken Murray see attached RL News V16 N19 p21
#57
Feedback/Suggestions / Re: 1934-35 North Sydney playe...
Last post by Ted Baxter - 10 April, 2024, 11:54:08 PMI can confirm the Bert Lyons bit (see attached) from RL News V17 N9 p20
#58
Feedback/Suggestions / South Sydney v South Queenslan...
Last post by Paul Carter - 10 April, 2024, 03:31:00 PMI just thought I would let you know. In the game between South Sydney and South Queensland at Redfern Oval on July 14, 1996.
-That South Sydney Lead 26-6 at Halftime.
-Trevor Gillmeister was South Queensland Captain.
-Tyran Smith and Craig Teevan were both Sent to the Sin Bin for 10 Minutes.
-Sorry to point this out. I notice in that game for South Sydney. That you have Martin Masella Wearing No. 8. Craig Salvatori wearing No. 10. Will Robinson Wearing No. 16. Danny O'Keefe Wearing No. 17.
-Also for South Queensland. You have Clinton O'Brien Wearing No. 8. Matt Bickerstaff Wearing No. 15. Jeff Wittenberg Wearing No. 16.
-Masella Wore No. 10. Salvatori Wore No. 8. When they both played Front-Row for South Sydney in that game.
-Robinson Wore No. 17. O'Keefe Wore No. 22. When they both came off the Bench for South Sydney in that game.
-O'Brien Wore No. 15. When he played Front-Row for South Queensland in that game.
-Bickerstaff Wore No. 28. Wittenberg Wore No. 25. When they both came off the Bench for South Queensland in that game.
-Smith and Teevan being Sent to the Sin Bin in this game. Was not listed underneath the Teams and Scorers for this game in the ARL Rugby League Yearbook 1997.
-My Source in regards to Smith being Sent to the Sin Bin in this game is.
Daily Telegraph, Monday, July 15, 1996
-My Sources in regards to Teevan being Sent to the Sin Bin in this game is.
Daily Telegraph, Monday, July 15, 1996
Courier-Mail, Monday, July 15, 1996
-That South Sydney Lead 26-6 at Halftime.
-Trevor Gillmeister was South Queensland Captain.
-Tyran Smith and Craig Teevan were both Sent to the Sin Bin for 10 Minutes.
-Sorry to point this out. I notice in that game for South Sydney. That you have Martin Masella Wearing No. 8. Craig Salvatori wearing No. 10. Will Robinson Wearing No. 16. Danny O'Keefe Wearing No. 17.
-Also for South Queensland. You have Clinton O'Brien Wearing No. 8. Matt Bickerstaff Wearing No. 15. Jeff Wittenberg Wearing No. 16.
-Masella Wore No. 10. Salvatori Wore No. 8. When they both played Front-Row for South Sydney in that game.
-Robinson Wore No. 17. O'Keefe Wore No. 22. When they both came off the Bench for South Sydney in that game.
-O'Brien Wore No. 15. When he played Front-Row for South Queensland in that game.
-Bickerstaff Wore No. 28. Wittenberg Wore No. 25. When they both came off the Bench for South Queensland in that game.
-Smith and Teevan being Sent to the Sin Bin in this game. Was not listed underneath the Teams and Scorers for this game in the ARL Rugby League Yearbook 1997.
-My Source in regards to Smith being Sent to the Sin Bin in this game is.
Daily Telegraph, Monday, July 15, 1996
-My Sources in regards to Teevan being Sent to the Sin Bin in this game is.
Daily Telegraph, Monday, July 15, 1996
Courier-Mail, Monday, July 15, 1996
#59
Feedback/Suggestions / Re: 1935 South Sydney players
Last post by GregRLP - 09 April, 2024, 01:04:28 AMThanks Max all have now been updated.
#60
Feedback/Suggestions / 1935 South Sydney players
Last post by Max Turner - 08 April, 2024, 06:35:38 PM- Fred Blann was born 28 February 1914 in Surry Hills, NSW, and died on 9 August 1997. His full name was Frederick Alexander Blann. His wife Thelma Kadwell was the cousin of Kangaroo Harry Kadwell.
- John Coyne Sr was born in Wickham, NSW. His full name was John James Coyne, and he was known as Jack.
- Frank Curran's DOB should be 6 March 1908 in Ballina, NSW, as per his birth record. Other records say the 7th or the 8th. The birth details on the site are for an unrelated person of the same name, and I suspect has come from Wikipedia.
- Arthur Dean was born 30 September 1912 in Redfern, NSW, and died on 11 June 1998. His full name was Arthur Frederick Dean.
- Harry Eyers' DOB should be 16 August 1908 (instead of the 13th).
- Eddie Finucane was born 5 April 1916 in Redfern, NSW, and died on 20 February 1991. His full name was Edward James Finucane.
- Harleigh Hanrahan was born in Robertson, NSW. His full name was John Harleigh Hanrahan.
- Eddie Hinson was born in Redfern, NSW.
- John Hurst should be Jack Hurst. He was born 22 September 1912 in Redfern, NSW and died on 20 November 1998. His full name was Jack Francis Hurst, and his nickname was Choc.
- Eric Lewis' full name was Eric William Lewis.
- Les McDonald was born 7 September 1913 in Redfern, NSW, and died on 5 November 1997. His full name was Leslie Francis McDonald.
- Bernie Martin was born 4 October 1909 in Wellington, New Zealand, and died on 13 April 1991. His full name was John Bernard Martin Jnr. I think the incorrect birthdate on the site might have come from Wikipedia.
- George Shankland was born in Paddington, NSW. His death date should be 12 July 1988 (no idea where the other date came from). His full name was George Wallace Shankland, and he was the brother of Bill Shankland.
- Jimmy Stiff was born 7 June 1911 in Waterloo, NSW, and died on 21 December 1937. His full name was James Claude Stiff.
- Jim Tait was born in 1904 in Redfern, NSW, and died on 24 April 1972. His full name was Victor James Tait.
- Harry Thompson's full name was not Harold but rather Harry Gladstone Thompson. He was born in Moama, NSW.
- Alby Thorne should be Alby Thorn (although Thorne is a common spelling variation). He was born 10 April 1915 in Botany, near Mascot, NSW, and died on 12 October 1994. His full name was Albert George Bosley Thorn.
- Michael Williams was born 12 February 1910 in Port Macquarie, NSW, and died on 4 October 1984. His full name was Michael Albert Williams Jnr.
- Percy Williams was actually born 10 March 1910 in Sydney, NSW. The details currently on the site are for an unrelated Percy E(rnest) Williams. SSR Almanac lists 10 March 1910 as Percy's DOB.
- Keith Wylie was born 28 August 1909 in Redfern, NSW, and died on 23 July 2000. His full name was Keith Eric Wylie.
- John Coyne Sr was born in Wickham, NSW. His full name was John James Coyne, and he was known as Jack.
- Frank Curran's DOB should be 6 March 1908 in Ballina, NSW, as per his birth record. Other records say the 7th or the 8th. The birth details on the site are for an unrelated person of the same name, and I suspect has come from Wikipedia.
- Arthur Dean was born 30 September 1912 in Redfern, NSW, and died on 11 June 1998. His full name was Arthur Frederick Dean.
- Harry Eyers' DOB should be 16 August 1908 (instead of the 13th).
- Eddie Finucane was born 5 April 1916 in Redfern, NSW, and died on 20 February 1991. His full name was Edward James Finucane.
- Harleigh Hanrahan was born in Robertson, NSW. His full name was John Harleigh Hanrahan.
- Eddie Hinson was born in Redfern, NSW.
- John Hurst should be Jack Hurst. He was born 22 September 1912 in Redfern, NSW and died on 20 November 1998. His full name was Jack Francis Hurst, and his nickname was Choc.
- Eric Lewis' full name was Eric William Lewis.
- Les McDonald was born 7 September 1913 in Redfern, NSW, and died on 5 November 1997. His full name was Leslie Francis McDonald.
- Bernie Martin was born 4 October 1909 in Wellington, New Zealand, and died on 13 April 1991. His full name was John Bernard Martin Jnr. I think the incorrect birthdate on the site might have come from Wikipedia.
- George Shankland was born in Paddington, NSW. His death date should be 12 July 1988 (no idea where the other date came from). His full name was George Wallace Shankland, and he was the brother of Bill Shankland.
- Jimmy Stiff was born 7 June 1911 in Waterloo, NSW, and died on 21 December 1937. His full name was James Claude Stiff.
- Jim Tait was born in 1904 in Redfern, NSW, and died on 24 April 1972. His full name was Victor James Tait.
- Harry Thompson's full name was not Harold but rather Harry Gladstone Thompson. He was born in Moama, NSW.
- Alby Thorne should be Alby Thorn (although Thorne is a common spelling variation). He was born 10 April 1915 in Botany, near Mascot, NSW, and died on 12 October 1994. His full name was Albert George Bosley Thorn.
- Michael Williams was born 12 February 1910 in Port Macquarie, NSW, and died on 4 October 1984. His full name was Michael Albert Williams Jnr.
- Percy Williams was actually born 10 March 1910 in Sydney, NSW. The details currently on the site are for an unrelated Percy E(rnest) Williams. SSR Almanac lists 10 March 1910 as Percy's DOB.
- Keith Wylie was born 28 August 1909 in Redfern, NSW, and died on 23 July 2000. His full name was Keith Eric Wylie.